Top 10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Is Wrong.

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And we don't banish women who're menstral outside of town for a week.

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PeachFreak wrote: I was raised Catholic. However, I probably only am Catholic in title, and not so much in practice. I do support gay marriage fully. I understand why some people feel it's morally wrong, but I don't think it should interfere with the law.
I don't quite get why it would be morally wrong to most people. I understand why, say, abortion would be morally wrong to most people, but why gay marriage? It's no different than allowing people of different races to marry, or even different religions to marry. My parents are each of a different religion, yet their union is not looked down upon by anyone since we're not living in the Medieval ages anymore. Heck, I wasn't raised very religiously at all aside from the odd VeggieTales episode and junior Bible story, so the way strict forms of Judaism and Christianity worked never really made that much sense to me.
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Well, according to my family....

Once you're married, you're supposed to have sex to finalize it. The Church frowns upon gay sex because of Leviticus. (Man shall not lay with man for it is an abomination. Furthermore, this sex is frowned upon because it can't create children.) Thus, it can't possibly be a real marriage if they can't consummate it, because it would be a "sin" to do so. (Yeah...doesn't make much sense to me either.)
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But Leviticus frowns upon gay rape not marriage. Marriage wasn't a sacrament until later. The Church frowned upon all sex (even in marriage) for two generations. The most dominate Christian religion (there were thousands, the Catholics just overtook majority of them and made themselves the primary one) thought sex in all regards to be a sin until they realized they would have to convert people every generation. It was just plain easier to produce babies and convince them to be Christians than to convert adults.
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Well, sure, but I'm talking about the modern warping of the meaning of Leviticus in respect to modern marriage.
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kova wrote: The Church frowned upon all sex (even in marriage) for two generations.
Hold it: Weren't there any children born sometime during that time period? (Which period was it, btw?) If so, not everyone practiced what they preached, did they.

And gang rape in general is a sin since it leaves the victim emotionally traumatized, but while there are a variety of motives for rape, sexual preference is not one of them; here's a bit of dialogue from The Shawshank Redemption that makes my point nicely:

Red: And wait till you meet the Sisters; they're going to adore you.
Andy: I don't suppose it would help to tell them I'm not homosexual?
Red: Neither are they. They'd have to be human to be that way. And they don't qualify.

I guess the reproduction argument makes some sense, but still not a whole lot.
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See, the whole "reproduction" argument is actually an oversimplification of several doctrines. It's not as simple as "you can't make children".
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This is one dominate sect that kept converting people from a smaller sect of Christians in the first generations. They saw their numbers decreasing and changed their minds. "Miracle" children (aka father raped the mother or they didn't want to admit they had sex... especially pre-marital.) were born in this period. It was suppose to mimic Jesus' birth. You are not suppose to have sex period. As God's new chosen people, you were not suppose to have sex at all. Angels would pregnant you like he "did to Mary. It's not that you can't make children, it's that you can't have sex to do it. Adopting orphans was also acceptable.

And remember Christianity was an underground movement until Constantine came to power in the Roman Empire. They were stoned, beaten, ect. until one guy was able to convert the Roman Emperor to Christianity (with something like if you win this battle you are suppose to win, God did it and you should convert). The religion of course spread like an Internet phenomena.

Well I should make my self clear. Leviticus is frowning up all rape. It's just that gay rape (which is acceptable in both the Greek and Roman cultures) was used as the example. Shawshank Redemption of course was written in a post-Victorian culture. What is acceptable changes over time. We would think Lincoln's letters meant that he was gay, but by the standards of the time it's okay. Most people would never use those words to express friendship and love for a friend today. People shared beds. Think of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. The grandparents share a bed.
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This is the ironic thread ever if you know CluedoKid now...

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I totally ship Mr Green and Prof Plum

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I know it was a different era (and set within a different era again) but it would have been great if Mr Green at the end of the Clue movie had said he was going to go home and sleep with his husband, keeping him actually being gay.

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coinilius wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:38 am I know it was a different era (and set within a different era again) but it would have been great if Mr Green at the end of the Clue movie had said he was going to go home and sleep with his husband, keeping him actually being gay.
Detective Amarillo uses that same line Mr Green said in the movie. In the comic while taking Green into custody she mentions she’s going to go home and sleep with her wife.

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I've only read one issue of that Clue series so far, I really should get around to finishing it one day...

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coinilius wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:41 pm I've only read one issue of that Clue series so far, I really should get around to finishing it one day...
She’s not the only LGBTQ character in it either

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