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Just a random forum to discuss books. I don't know if one was already created...

I have a question to anyone who's read Ian Fleming (creator of James Bond)'s books. Are they any good and/or worth reading? I saw a bunch in a used bookstore today, but thought I'd ask first.

Also, in English, we're studying The Catcher in the Rye. It's without a doubt the worst book I've ever read. To say I despise it would be an understatement.
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I tried reading that one too.

Holding wouldn't stop whining, so I had to stop reading.
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Well, we all know which AC book is my fave, hands down. :wink:
Aside from THAT one, though, my second fave is Death on the Nile. I really loved how the interactions between the characters felt so realistic, as did the emotions, and how it manages to mix both romance and mystery together.
Outside of AC, I just finished reading Twilight. It's a great contemporary romance novel with supernatural elements to it (who knew vampires could be sparkly? :lol: ), but sadly, I predict that when the movie comes out, it'll take a few liberties with the story and when I try to talk to my classmates about it, they'll give me a blank look. At least I'll be able to talk about it with the girl who recommended the book to me.
Also, I read Freedom Writers. The entries in it are just chilling and sad at times, and I was shocked that these were actual events, but overall, they really make a great statement about equality and how destructive racism can be. Is the movie with Hilary Swank fairly accurate?

PS As for James Bond, I have not read the books or seen the movies, but I have heard that the movies tend to resemble the books in name only but still manage to be great.
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I read Casino Royale a few years ago. Honestly, I didn't like it. It just seemed jumbled for some reason. I never really got a good idea of what exactly was going on. Then again, that could just be that I've never read the spy genre before.

Recently, I finished Farhenheit 451. I really enjoyed it, even if it was on my school reading list. I also loved The Kite Runner.
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I'm curious to know what Catcher in the Rye was about, it was supposedly the book Mark Chapman was influenced by before he murdered John Lennon. What's the gist?

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I just started reading Catcher in the Rye tonight, so what a coincidence! I haven't gotten far enough to make an assessment of it, but my brother hates it.

The next book I'll be reading is And Then There Were None. I lent it to my friend and since she wanted to read that and Catcher in the Rye, we're going to trade books when we're done.

I'm currently trying to read at least a book a week for a year (in the hopes that after a year is up, it'll just be habit and I'll keep doing it). So far, besides reading a lot of Fear Street books, I've also read I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Outsiders, and part of House of Leaves.

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Catcher has pretty mcuh no plot. It's the wanderings of an annoying 16-year old over New York, calling everyone phonies and whining.
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chaostheory1489 wrote: The next book I'll be reading is And Then There Were None.
Trust me, you're choosing a good book! :D Maybe after reading it, you'll get some of my inside jokes. :wink:
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Here is a humourous "summary" of The Catcher in the Rye I found on facebook. It doesn't realy summarize anything, but it sums up the (ANNOYING!!!) tone of the book well:

It was cold as h*ll as I walked up Fifth Avenue. I gave my goddamn hat to old Phoebe, and I wanted it back. I really did. I walked passed a payphone and thought about giving Jane a buzz, but I wasn’t sure she was back for vacation yet, and I really didn’t want to talk to her parents. I really didn’t. They’d’ve probably been a couple of phonies, and ask me how I was, and how school is going and other phony questions like that. As I walked by a hot dog stand I suddenly got depressed as h*ll. I thought about the man who had to stand there all day and sell hot dogs to a bunch of phonies. It reminded me of this boy I roomed with back at Elkton Hills. His name was Jimmy Simmons. Old Jimmy was the crumbiest kid I knew. He would always bring girls back to our room and do crumby things with them. Then one day he got so tired of my suitcases being better than his that he jumped out the window. I miss old Jimmy. I really do. I saw a candy store and it got me depressed as h*ll, so I walked in. I spent my entire afternoon in that goddamn candy store. Two little boys walked in looking for their favorite candy bar. The bar was on the top shelf and they couldn’t reach it, so I got it down for them. Then I took them to the movies. I really did. I hate the movies. They’re so phony. My brother D.B. writes movies. He is a prostitute. He used to write stories about a goldfish, but now he writes goddamn movies. After our movie was over, I took the boys to the Museum of Natural History. I love the museum because it never changes. The only thing that changes is you. When we left the museum, the two boys ran home, and I went back to my hotel. I bought a prostitute. She came up to my room and sat on my bed. There was a goddamn prostitute in my goddamn hotel room. It was depressing as h*ll. It really was. I’m a virgin. I didn’t feel well so I paid her and let her leave without having intercourse. I thought about giving old Jane a buzz, but I decided not to because I was afraid her parents would pick up. What I’m trying to say is, don’t tell anybody anything and you won’t miss anyone.
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History grad student = reading nonfiction all the time. This semester, I'm interning abroad and only taking undergrad classes. Read My Golden Trades last week for fun (I normally can't do that except in the summer). I did read Fahrenheit 451 for fun in high school. Wish I would have read Catch 22 so I could compare it to Good Soldier.
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I just finished reading Catcher in the Rye. Gosh, that book was terrible. There was no real plot to speak of and the only good part about it was Holden's sister Phoebe.

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And now, if you're doing it as a class, observe how your teacher will load you full of [insert profane term of choice HERE] about how moral the book is, how great the symbolism is, and just how mature [BLEH!] Holden is. I am the only one in a class of 31 who is exposing the book for the awful tripe it is, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.
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Holden is pretty much the opposite of mature! He's totally hypocritical, saying how much he hates phonies and basically everyone's phony except for him, when he's just as phony or moreso than anyone else! And he contradicts himself all the time, like saying he just (in this instance) tap dances to amuse himself and then turning around and saying that all he needs is an audience to get him to tap dance. Or in another instance, saying that sometimes all you need is someone to listen to you and then admitting that he wasn't listening to what his sister was saying. I just wanted to punch him in the face.

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I'd like to have murdered him... in the Library... with the Revolver!

What I really hated was I was told how great Holden's attitude towards girls and sex is. GREAT? Holden's "opinion" that sex should be between people who really are in love, that I agree with. But he does nothing to seek out true love. Instead, his lustful behaviour sticks out a mile. First thing he remarks when he sees Sally? Not "I was glad to see her." or anything along those lines. "She looked great" was his first sentence. Natural reaction, you say? Then why does he remark she has a "cute @ss"? And when Sunny is in his room, they don't end up having intercourse, but he goes as far as to let her take off her dress before asking her to leave. What was the best defence the class came up with for his behaviour? He was drunk by that time. Then WHY was he drinking? And when the bartender refuses to sell him drinks, he doesn't think to himself "Maybe he's right; maybe I've had too much/ I shouldn't drink at my age". He thinks, "That g*dd@mn phony-- why the h#ll won't he sell me the g*dd@mn beer?".

I could rant like this forever, but this is the abridged version of my rant. In short, J.D. Salinger's "symbolism" was most likely dumb luck, and when critics began praising his symbolism, he went along with the flow, as if it was his intention all along.
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I had to read that book and only got through the first 2 or 3 chapters. Boooring.

The Time Machine, now there's a GREAT book. It's 120 pages of pure excitement. Short, but oh so sweet.
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The Time Machine is really good. The Martian Chronicles is really good, too, and has my favorite short story of all time in it, "Usher II".

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When I read The Mirror Crack'd From Side To Side this summer, the solution was, unfortunately, spoiled for me because I had heard of...well, I can't give it away; the plot is that intricate. This didn't stop the plot from surprising me in certain areas, though. I thought it was similar to A Murder Is Announced in terms of someone being murdered at a party (btw, has anyone noticed that in an AC novel, there has never, ever been a party or vacation where no one was murdered?) and the process of questioning suspects before someone else gets cacked.
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TheWhitePawn wrote:The Time Machine, now there's a GREAT book. It's 120 pages of pure excitement. Short, but oh so sweet.
I couldn't agree more. I approached the book skeptically-- science fiction isn't usually my cup of tea. But this was more than an average, chessy sci-fi novel: it was pure enjoyment through and through. It had an actual plot, memorable characters, and just about everything lovers of literature could ask for.
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Jane Poirot wrote:(btw, has anyone noticed that in an AC novel, there has never, ever been a party or vacation where no one was murdered?)
Not true. There was that one affair on... nevermind. No wait! There was also... scratch that. NO! I think I have it! There was a short story with HP on holiday. It did not involve murder, but a theft. But I forget what it was called...
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By the way, does anyone mind if I show the opinions on "Catcher" expressed so far to illustrate my points in my English class?
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