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Post by Lord Caspen » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:35 am

Cludeokid,

Marston dies first in all of them, doesn't he? It's just that in some versions, he isn't named Marston, right?

How did the General, Brent, and Wargrave not act as you had imagined?

Lombard rapes her? How ghastly! I don't know if I want to see this version after all ... I don't think the author caught the spirit of the thing very well, if that's the case.
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Post by CluedoKid » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:51 am

Cluedokid25 wrote:ebay! :D iwas very surprised to see so many copies in stock!! btw I have to say everyone excells in their roles! They all act similar to wha tI imagined! Expecialy the General, Brent, and Wargrave!!
No no, you got it all wrong, His nam is Marston and he does die first. But they didnt make Lombard a hunk in this version, in fact in the pictures he downright ugly. Marston is the hunk and he dies first over choking just like in the book, mabye I misworded a bit.

I didnt say Except General, Brent and Wargrave, I said EXPECIALY!!!!meaning they did better than great.

It wasnt all comical like the 1945 version, like Miss Brent dose not make fun of Rogers death, instead Vera has her maddened laughing fit.


As to the rape, don't worry Capsian its shot and it fits in well with the story, trust me if any version did justuce to this sotry its this version, dont bother with the crappy hollywood versions.
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Post by CluedoKid » Mon Jan 23, 2006 7:52 am

LEts just put it this way,


Marston dies first.


Lombard dies before Vera.


Mabye that will be easyier to understand.


and it think you should know that this is the only variation to use the same anems from the book.
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Post by PrinceAzure33 » Mon Jan 23, 2006 12:32 pm

Wow, you should have put spoiler ahead. I never knew Lombard raped Vera in this movie...
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Post by Lord Caspen » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:33 pm

Cluedokid,

I apologize, I can see that's what you wrote, now. I am still apologizing, but I think that what threw me was spelling especially starting with "ex" and I made the mistake of stopping reading that word right there.

Marston should *be* the hunk, though. Or at least, they should both be hunks of a kind. Marston is the young bull, sexy in a young Mars-god-of-war kind of way. Lombard is sexy in a colder, more controlled way -- still a force of nature, but under a much more impressive intelligence.

If what you're saying is that the Lombard in the movie doesn't capture that, that is disappointing.

This scene of Armstrong playing piano for entertainment is a little of a departure. Especially considering Marston's the one benefitting -- Armstrong hates the young hednoist, enviously, for being confident and sexy and reckless.

How do you see the ideal characterization of Wargrave? I've always thought he needs to strike a unique balance ... He has to pursue pessimistic policies, and yet we have to believe that he has a chance of saving everybody. We also have to buy the idea that he's a really tired, achy old man, which will buy a little bit of empathy, in spite of his cold-blooded, reptillian nature.

I do agree with you about the Brent -- while to date Dame Judith Anderson of the '45 version is the best version of her, perfect in appearance and a perfectly workable performance, she was just a little too ... snide. Almost worldly. She should smile, but maybe not quite so much, nor should she ever play coy.

And what about the General? What was really good about him?
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Post by CluedoKid » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:53 pm

The way it works is this,

MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD!
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Lombard is not handsome, but he's powerful and a womenizer. He heas this cruel mouth and freakish eyes and is convicing in a way that he left 20 men to die.

His creepyest moment?

Vera: You left them..them to die?

Lombard: (has this cruelish smile on his face) I left them to die.

In other words he the most Lombardish like the book.

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Armstong is playing the piano but he's not playing a hit single. He just casually playing a classical piece of the era, and Vera and Marston are dancing to it. he whispers in her ear.

MARSTON: A few minutes ago I was regreting coming here.

Vera sorta shys away from him ba little big as you can see the incedent of Hugo still lingers with her.


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The Judge is amazing. He is cold, cynical and very acid. He isnt all cute and folksy like other versions. He's very wise in a way.

His motive for the murders is changed slightly to accomodate to screen

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Brent is very huffy about things. She is hevely religeous, when Marston bits it: She cyincally says:

BRENT: Somtimes we don't know when it's our time to die. and has this cold look.

She acts all upright but after the third murder and in the middle of the night she goes mad, and hullucinates seeing BETRICE TAYLOR at her balcony door.

TAYLOR: MISS BRENT!! MISS BRENT!! LET ME BACK IN!! OH PLEASE LET ME BACK IN!!!

BRENT: I FIRED YOU!

TAYLOR: PLEASE OH PLEASE LET ME BACK IN!!!!!

BRENT: GO AWAY!!!! I FIRED YOU YOU HUSSY!!!(chucks Bible at her)

BRENT: I know the murderers name: its Betrice Taylor!

...................................................

The General is perfect, he comes off well as this sad, lonely, feeble old man
and his convo with Vera gives me the chills.

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As for the rape basically Vera thinks she here Cyrils voice coming from Lombards room. She enters and Lombard gives her a drink, he drunk btw.
He grabs her and kisses her and they fall on the bed. Vera thretens to scream. But she dosnt resist and he points out that she came to his room half naked. And then the convo from the book with the privite moment with Vera and Lombard plays out .

Basically that scene shows the maddest of the two. Trust me it works!


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Aha!

Post by Lord Caspen » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:07 pm

It sounds brilliant, Cluedokid, all of it.

I am anxious to get a copy myself.
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Post by PrinceAzure33 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:42 pm

Thanks for putting Spoiler Alert. It prevented me from reading your post :)

My biggest concern is the subtitles, seeing as I'm deaf and I've gotten many mentions of how the subtitles is terrible.
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Post by CluedoKid » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:29 pm

Heres what. Dont bother with the subs. if you have a copie of the book, grab it and follow along.
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Post by PrinceAzure33 » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:10 pm

:lol: But is it understandable or totally screwed up like

Hi my namUA UIAETHEA emaloalsifmwfggffretgg meet you or
like bad grammar like
Hi is the John Smith, the meeting you nice

or...?
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Post by CluedoKid » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:40 pm

Sir. Lerenz Orgarve you accused of the condeming of innocent man Edward Sitton


or mispelled names like:

Vera Claysorm

Whilliam Blor

General Mc. Arthur

Allen Norman Owen A.N.Owen

or


about the clock the fell on Blore:

Vera: Thats its my watch on my fireplace!


its somewhat understandable. I dont care about mispellings, whats annoying is the fact that the texts is horribly off from the person speaking


ex.


Vera: Dodidididididid

Lombard: Dodidididi

*what could this mean?

Wargrave:Dodiddidi

*Ill allow him to explain

Vera:DODODODI

*One of us is Mr. Owen
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Post by Lord Caspen » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:50 pm

Yikes! That's awful, Cluedokid!

I wonder if a large part of it isn't just the difficulty of translation. I've been told that there are large sections of each language which do not readily translate between the two, but I never suspected anything on this order.



Oh, incidentally -- is this version paced more along the lines of the book? In the movies, they tend to compress scenes or bits of business together, giving us a somewhat abrupt view of the story, whereas the novel develops each theme in its own time and then ties it all together at the end. Do you know what I mean?
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Post by CluedoKid » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:54 pm

Yes this version is the most accurate of the book
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Post by NTD Mouse » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:26 pm

I hope the rest of you realize, what he did was illegal in several states? Only people allowed to take screen captions of a movie are the producers and the guys promoting it. Not to mention you used a web cam to take pictures of the tv, I hate being the bearer of bad news...well no not really i like raining on little children's parades, I'm just evil like that... but actually i'm more looking after the few decent web sites still out here, seeing as how thats considered breaking copyright, making copies of it or what ever, and i do beleive it's a federal crime. Don't ya'll just love my polite way of ruining things? I do it all the time on other forums so dont feel bad
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Post by Michael » Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:37 pm

Actually, NTD... I suggest you re-examine the "Fair Use" clause of the US Copyright laws.
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Post by Colonel Gray Poopond » Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:07 pm

Heres what they say about fair use on there website:

One of the rights accorded to the owner of copyright is the right to reproduce or to authorize others to reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords. This right is subject to certain limitations found in sections 107 through 118 of the copyright act (title 17, U.S. Code). One of the more important limitations is the doctrine of “fair use.� Although fair use was not mentioned in the previous copyright law, the doctrine has developed through a substantial number of court decisions over the years. This doctrine has been codified in section 107 of the copyright law.

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,� such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

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The 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law cites examples of activities that courts have regarded as fair use: “quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.�

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Post by CluedoKid » Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:33 pm

NTD Mouse wrote:I hope the rest of you realize, what he did was illegal in several states? Only people allowed to take screen captions of a movie are the producers and the guys promoting it. Not to mention you used a web cam to take pictures of the tv, I hate being the bearer of bad news...well no not really i like raining on little children's parades, I'm just evil like that... but actually i'm more looking after the few decent web sites still out here, seeing as how thats considered breaking copyright, making copies of it or what ever, and i do beleive it's a federal crime. Don't ya'll just love my polite way of ruining things? I do it all the time on other forums so dont feel bad

Its okay, I live in Canada so don't worry about me getting arrested in my state :wink:


Actually I used the cam on my computer :wink:


And get your reseach right! Its only wrong if I was making a profit off it or something like that. Which I don't intend on, so I'd like to see what you do about it mouse.


In other words no reason to get uptight about this. After all this site is for fun! :wink:
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Post by NTD Mouse » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:10 am

x.x; yeah yeah yeah what ever, I was half asleep, cranky about being woken up from a nap, and just had to endure a four page long statistics test. give me a break. Oh, and thank you "moderator" that edited his posts, personal attacks would of been the last thing i needed yesterday, what with having to defend myself from blatent homophobia at school yesterday.
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Post by CluedoKid » Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:40 am

It okay, just understand that I don't care much for your pleasure in ruining stuff. Hopefully thats the last time you use that attitude. It was no reason to take it out on here.
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Post by CluedoKid » Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:01 pm

For those wishing to get this movie, just go to Ebay, type "Desyat negrityat"
in seach box. You will get two picks. Either is fine their both the same. You don't have to bid its a "Buy-it-Now" item. there over 900 copies so don't worry about limited offer, in fact to save time heres the page:

http://cgi.ebay.com/DESYAT-NEGRITYAT-RU ... dZViewItem
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