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Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by alwaysPeacock » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:41 am

Didn’t see a post about this yet, so: Hasbro has launched another Target exclusive series of games. This time it’s mashups of their popular brands into some charming party games. Twister Scrabble. Jenga Monopoly. Of interest to us: Guess Who Clue.

But look closely at the promo image & you’ll spot three surprises: a poison weapon card, a return of Mrs. White in her new aesthetic, and a very familiar face to any of us who play Marmalade’s digital edition, Monsieur Brunette. This alone makes me more inclined to add this silly spin off to my library {and all but solidifies my long held belief that Hasbro commissioned new art for ALL of the suspects with their last redesign, and that artwork was provided to Marmalade as a basis for their International suspects pack — those bonus suspects are just too cohesive with the base 7 (counting White because we all know she came from concept art) to be purely Marmalade’s creations}.

TL/DR: I’m more hopeful now that Hasbro might actually deliver a new expanded spin off game in the next year, now we can see they’ve got the extra artwork to work with.



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Re: Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by cacums » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:54 am

I am very excited for this! Not only are we getting a CLASSIC character and a semi-classic weapon that has been part of Clue since the 1980s, it shows that there is hope for Brunette and White to fill out those other two empty starting spaces by the Kitchen/Dining Room and Study/Hall. Perhaps that is why the Hall door was removed? To get us used to the new board layout when they decide to invite more characters into the board game?

Either way, I will definitely be adding this to my collection. I'm very intrigued to see how the game is played.

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Post by alwaysPeacock » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:20 am

I might pick up a copy this afternoon. I’m very interested to see if the deck of cards (the larger ones you’d draw from & have to guess to win) form a complete deck (namely, are all 9 standard rooms accounted for). If so, all anyone needs is a set of colored pawns to match & a poison token from another edition, and you’ve got yourself a ready to go expansion for any modern Clue board. Just have to print up a corresponding notebook to use with it.

EDIT: *ALSO* those aforementioned cards are EXACTLY what the standard edition’s deck should have looked like from the beginning! The Evidence stamp, the “taped on” strips of paper labeling everything. Matches the aesthetic of the rules book perfectly. Notwithstanding the potential new room, but if the impending anniversary edition doesn’t give this kind of attention to details to its cards, I’ll be sorely disappointed. We certainly don’t need another pack of bland portraits with massive white stripes over them.
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Post by coinilius » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:20 am

That is actually very interesting, the game looks like it has a nice design for what is otherwise a pretty throw-away mash-up game concept (and Guess Who and Clue are a pretty sensible mash-up, given the themes). An expanded version of the board game with extra players that include White and another character would be good if it does eventually happen (although I’d actually personally prefer a new male character than an existing one, to balance out Dr Orchid without drawing form the existing stock of characters).

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Re: Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by cacums » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:50 am

coinilius wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:20 am
I’d actually personally prefer a new male character than an existing one
I would love to see the inclusion of a Silver or Gold character. Throw a little metallic shine to the character pawns. Perhaps a Mr/Sir/Judge Gold since the weapon tokes are silver.

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Post by Murder by Death » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:38 pm

This is all so expensive. And I just realized Target no longer has the Rustic Edition for sale... ugh I kept waiting for a sale and now it’s gone!

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Post by coinilius » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:37 pm

cacums wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:50 am
coinilius wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:20 am
I’d actually personally prefer a new male character than an existing one
I would love to see the inclusion of a Silver or Gold character. Throw a little metallic shine to the character pawns. Perhaps a Mr/Sir/Judge Gold since the weapon tokes are silver.
Judge would be a great title for a new male character!

Looking at the rest of the mash-up games line, some of the others actually look kind of interesting as well - the Scrabble/Twister mash-up could be fun, and useful for educational games with young children.

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Re: Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by alwaysPeacock » Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:16 am

Basic gameplay:
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Your “notebook” game board:
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And the artwork you’re all most eager to see ... two new weapons!
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And our old friends:
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The game features 8 each of suspects/weapons/rooms. The Conservatory didn’t make the cut, so the deck can’t quite serve as an alternative for a DIY expanded game (but a simple scan of the face sides of all of these cards, plus a little skilled image editing, could easily get the job done. Or, just play a game without the Conservatory?) 16 Special Action cards round out the deck.

Setup is much like standard Clue: separate the suspects, weapons, rooms, and randomly select 3 cards for the solution. Then each player randomly selects one of the remaining suspect cards to keep facing them in the slot (so from the beginning, you can eliminate one suspect - yourself - from your notebook board). The remaining Evidence cards are shuffled with the actions to create the draw pile mentioned in the rules. Game is as detailed above, then you can make an accusation at the beginning of your next turn if you think you’ve narrowed your board down to the 3 solution cards. Announce your solution, check the cards. Correct? You win. Wrong? Your opponent must immediately make their own guess, and steal the victory if they’re correct on all 3.

I played a quick trial game with a friend this evening. It’s actually fun! Some players will struggle to think up clever questions since you have only the smaller artwork on your notebook cards to study for details, but there’s a decent balance between elimination by observation & elimination by luck of the draw.

Minor details: love the card backs. Love the cards, period. These retained the book cover texture layer from the standard game’s rules booklet, even wrapping it around as the border on the facing side. The cards are just as thin as the new standard, but they look much better/more atmospheric. I have qualms with the molds used for the boards: they’re blatantly the usual Guess Who board, but molded in brown plastic. The, now useless, winning streak peg holders could have been swapped for a Clue logo. The rules also kept text from Guess Who referring to matching the color of the small cards (red border or blue border) to the color of the boards ... which is a moot point, here.

TL/DR: a respectable option for a travel/quick play version of Clue, with the added bonus of new suspect & weapon art. 3.5/5*
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Post by coinilius » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:05 am

That does look very nice, the artwork and card designs have been done in a really nice way. A shame the Conservatory didn't make it in for the complete set of rooms, but hopefully we'll get a new version of the actual Clue that follows this art direction.

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Post by cacums » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:49 am

Time to make a trip to Target!

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Post by Murder by Death » Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:41 pm

Yes, @alwayspeacock ... simple to scan and print onto a sticker the conservatory artwork, and stick on top of a spare card from this set. In this case, the spare card for me is Mssr. Brunette. Better yet, just have everyone agree that Brunette is the Conservatory for the purposes of the game.

Once again I feel Hasbro has been tone deaf here. They go to the trouble to add an original ethic character in the name of Orchid, but for this game they not only add back the old white lady, but also another white character. Oh yes, I’m sure there are many arguments for Brunettes mixed heritage, especially as depicted here, but honestly he was created as a white guy, and always has been. Why not Prince Azure? An original black character, who also has an international pedigree. That would have satisfied the demographic representation of diversity Clue badly needs. I get Brunette holds greater nostalgic interest for some older fans of the game, but seriously, better to be progressive these days. And Azure should hold plenty of nostalgic sway for a younger demographic too.

So that leaves 7 suspects, 9 rooms, and 8 weapons. That should make for an interesting Clue game format. Now we just need a Mrs. White token/pawn that matches the new game figurines, and we’re all set.

Still @ $20, I’m not eager to pick this up just for a set of cards. Then again, I waited too long to pick up the Rustic Edition to go on sale and now it’s sold out. Hopefully they will restock before Christmas, but it could very well be the end of its availability.

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Post by CluedoKid » Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:35 pm

Murder by Death wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:41 pm
Why not Prince Azure? An original black character, who also has an international pedigree. That would have satisfied the demographic representation of diversity Clue badly needs.
But would it be enough? Why stop at only one black guy, and/or one Asian etc? This could be a chance to diversify in multitude.
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Post by coinilius » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:09 am

That's part of the reason why I would like to see another new character, rather than just reusing one of the other secondary characters - not that there is anything wrong with using the secondary characters, but if they want to balance out Dr Orchid I think another new character would be the way to go. They would have a blank slate then to create any character they wanted then.

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Post by The Late Dr Black » Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:24 pm

I really like this. It's a neat idea.

I would make a change to the rooms though and swap out Ballroom for Conservatory. Akin to Super Cluedo.

The eight suspects are a nice balance. Personally I think Prince Azure is naff. Madame Rose is sadly a bit redundant now that we have Dr Orchid as the 'pink' suspect. Whom I like, very reminiscent of Madeline Kahn's White!

Speaking of Super Cluedo, maybe that's coming next, judging by the artwork. Poison , Axe, plus Mrs White & M Brunette. That leaves Miss Peach & Inspector Grey both of whom are in the international edition!

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Post by coinilius » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:21 pm

I'd say yes to a new version of Master Detective - it would be a pity though to have Dr Orchid replace another character, since she has the colour similarity to Madame Rose (although I have think of Dr Orchid as more of a vivid purple-pink). If anything, I'd rather see her replace Miss Peach in a new Master Detective! Miss Peach is used in basically every 'secondary' cast of characters, so it wouldn't hurt to give her a rest and let Madame Rose get a bit of spotlight for a game (it would still be good, IMO, to see a brand new male character to balance out Orchid down the track sometime).

I'd also love to see a new version of Super Cluedo Challenge one day - I have a soft spot for the mansion design in that game.

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Post by garrooo » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:03 pm

Just got the GuessWho/Clue mashup at ToysRUs Canada.

Kudos to alwaysPeacock and MurderByDeath for suggesting to use this card deck as an expansion for the standard game. When I bought the standard game (with Orchid edition), I couldn't justify afterwards to buy a near identical clue game that came with an extra poision card and token. I had thoughts of using an extra card with only the standard edition deck to represent poision, but the evidence cards and "magnifying glass" cards in the standard game had different backs which foiled my plans.

This mashup deck (with plently of extra cards with identical back side) is quite suitable for turning your standard game into a standard game + poision edition.

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Re: Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by garrooo » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:30 pm

Comments about gameplay:
- when inserting the pictures into the plastic flaps, it is better to randomize and maybe even rearrange the pictures after many consecutive games. Otherwise, if the notebook is identically set up for both players in a configuration as seen in alwaysPeacock's photo, the opponent may catch on that "upper left=scarlett" or "last row=weapon" or "last time i played, opponent's upper right flap was=__"

- suppose a player tries to be strategic, tries to play by memory and closes down fewer flaps than expected. This gives the opponent a false sense that you are nowhere near the solution. Answers to yes/no questions continue to reflect flaps that are still up, which results in many uncertain "I don't know" responses. Gameplay might turn out very well for the strategic player, or goes entirely awry for everyone...

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Re: Guess Who Clue, Hasbro mashups

Post by alwaysPeacock » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:58 pm

Yeah, one of my friends insisted on setting up her board in a very organized order (as seen above). I’ve since randomized both boards for the exact reasons stated above. Granted, it does mean a little more time scanning the options in front of you, but that’s how Guess Who has always worked, so *shrug*.

My one qualm with the gameplay (now that I’ve had a few more trial runs with different opponents): the small images for the rooms can be REALLY tricky to make out, depending on your eyesight & ambient lighting. I caused one opponent a good bit of confusion when I asked if the murder room had tiled flooring. Turns out the Study is cropped so tight, you can’t really make out much of the flooring around the rug.

I’m definitely more inclined to use the cards as an alternative deck for a regular game of Clue, and only occasionally pull this mashup out as a filler game/time killer. If I want, I can just write “Conservatory” on one of the action cards, and *poof* I’ve got a full deck.
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Post by The Late Dr Black » Thu Oct 31, 2019 2:55 pm

Interestingly aside from the Marmalade Studios online game.

I think this is the first official product to feature the new Mrs White (& of course M Brunette).

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Post by coinilius » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Hopefully it is a ‘taste of things to come’ and we see those designs and characters in more official games (and the other expanded roster characters)

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